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  I miss Shelby

  by tec in

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  i think the title says it all.

  i know she's busy, and she always responds to pm's.

  hope to see you again soon, shelby.. (aguest for those of you who don't know her yet).

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  I pm'ed her awhile back--hoped we would hear from her. She dips from a clear pool and pours a cool drink for any who stop to rest. I miss her too.
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  Exposing the Sickness: they printed letter to editor on the WT's treatment of Ray Franz in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, Sat.6/12/10

  by not a captive in

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  closure isn't needed.

  in georgia recently, a religious "criminal" died.

  this one had been brought to account.

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  Yeah, I wanted it to be like "Br'eR Rabbit and the Tar Baby" the more you punch it the harder you are stuck.

  Like I said, I don't care what they say if they complain or whatever--only good can come of it. I hope it sticks in their brains like a cockle-burr!

  I took a copy across the street to the young man whose mother was my-o-so-very-best-friend JW. He and his wifeare not. But I know his family has suffered under the DFing rules, etc. so I asked him to read it and spread the word to his mom and all the young DFd folks he knows. The Truth will set us free.

  Thanks friends for your kind remarks, I'm just doing what you all are doing --taking a stand, finally.
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  A poem for my sister's town where the recent shootings took place

  by Lozhasleft in

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  on the 2nd june a taxi driver got up and drove around an area of the lake district in the uk shooting people ...some intentionally, some at random.

  the effect on the community has been terrible, and this includes my sister and her family who live in the central town whitehaven where it happened.

  my neice was locked down in a shop while the killer shot people on the street alongside.

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  No one completely escapes--Even if you don't catch a bullet in your body the ghost of it lies in your brain as long as you live.
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  Exposing the Sickness: they printed letter to editor on the WT's treatment of Ray Franz in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, Sat.6/12/10

  by not a captive in

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  closure isn't needed.

  in georgia recently, a religious "criminal" died.

  this one had been brought to account.

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  Closure isn't needed

  In Georgia recently, a religious "criminal" died. This one had been brought to account. He had admitted his wrongs. But here is a paradox: This man had thousands who are grateful for his "crime" and saddened by his death.

  Raymond Franz was 88 when he died. He had served as a minister and missionary and finally a member of the gGoverning Body of Jehovah's Witnesses---until suspicions grew that he was not happy with all his religion taught.

  Time magazine for Feb. 2,1983, wrote: "Franz privately concluded that the religion emphasized human organization rather than biblical teachings...[saying that] 'While producing people who were outwardly moral, they subverted the essential qualities of humility, compassion and mercy.'"

  He and his wife resigned from headquarters, moving to Georgia, but he was watched. Eating a meal with a benefactor who had resigned from the Witnesses provided the technical infraction for which Franz was finally "disfellowshipped". For thirty years, Franz was shunned.

  Franz wrote in "Crisis of Conscience": "At stake is the freedom to pursue spiritual truth untrammeled by arbitrary restrictions and the right to enjoy a personal relationship with God and his Son free from the interposition on the part of a human agency."

  Many of us think the "crime" of Ray Franz should never have closure.

  MAEVE COURTEAU

  Fayetteville

  I had to say what I could in 250 words. I want my captive friends to have the big picture that was shut away from my eyes and my mind. There are the Time magazine article for them and Franz's book with the info, Crisis of Conscience for them to check out privately.and I wanted them to know how the FDS DF'd him.

  When they are in field service this Saturday morning, they break for coffee in droves at Rick's Bakery. I picture a brother picking up a paper lying about and reading what happened to Ray Franz at the hands of "God's Organization"---and choking on his donut. I hope the brother says something to the others and I don't care what it is--I hope eventually the real truth will set them free.

  The Organization bears the fruit that it bears--that's all there is to it---and it is rotten to the core.
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  Have your views on gays changed over the years?

  by laverite in

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  some questions....feel free to answer any or all of these.

  have your views of gay people changed over the years?

  do you have or have you ever had gay friends?

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  Zoiks--

  Yes, discussion. As a kid my family operated on "least said, soonest mended" which included the idea that if anyone had a problem--shutup about it. It worked for everyone who didn't have the problem but didn't really make the problem go away. Just made the person with it have to stuff it and suffer in silence.

  We humans can talk but we don't often communicate effectively.
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  House to house not scriptural !- 'In search of Christian Freedom' Revelations..

  by Lozhasleft in

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  i'm around half way through ray's second book and have just read about this and the way the gb knows it but insists on implying that it is a pattern from the first century to be followed !!!

  unbelievable....how could they be so deceitful and sleep at night ...let alone pray...??

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  Loz,

  Just saying I like your postings. Thanks for this one.

  I used to just talk to people about God and use the Bible. That was my "field service" because Irarely could make the other regular thing happen. But it didn't "count" the same in some sense. There was so much about FS that seemed wrong.

  If I believe in divine providence and believe the good news might be valuable to others , then it would have to come to them through a combination of God's help and the action of God's spirit in others---somehow.

  This conversation makes me think.

  Maeve
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  Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

  by StoneWall in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-slagzjmdu.

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  DD,

  That is where I find myself. The equation of God's love is so vast that I believe it reaches beyond my powers to understand. Thanks for putting a marker down on that thought. Maeve
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  To You, Is "Nice" a Four-letter Word?

  by snowbird in

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  i've noticed several posters who exhort others to be nice or play nice.. here in the south, being nice is simply about being.. is that how it is with you?.

  thanks for any responses.. syl.

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  That sounds beautiful, zid. I have not traveled very much further west than Loveland , Colorado. My husband says the West is grand and great. He says Montana was his mother.

  Nice... nice means something positive to me. But it doesn't mean being wishy-washy. It means to be substantially pleasant and hospitable to all you meet. It wasn't natural to me, my family had a sarcastic way about them. It wasn't kind, if you were on the receiving end.

  When I decided to undo those habits because of Jesus (I wasn't a JW then) I saw how corrupting it was to relationships, that sarcasm. I taught my children to be respectful of others. I think that was nice.
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  When was the last time somebody proved you wrong and you admitted it?

  by Terry in

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  intellectual honesty and personal integrity depend on a fine point.

  can you accept being wrong and admit it?.

  nobody wants to be wrong because we have to trust your view of things to survive and prosper.

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  Terry, "Wrong about charity"? Would you mind explaining what you mean?
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  Are You Eccentric?

  by snowbird in

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  one of the words of today was concentric - sharing a common center.. which set me to thinking about eccentric - out of center.. i've been told that i'm eccentric.. have you ever been told that?.

  thanks.. syl.

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  "There something strange about being eccentric."

  When a person behaves thoughtfully in a difficult or challenging life situation, they may be called eccentric.

  ec-cen-tric----1. not having the same center

  2. deviating from an established pattern or from accepted usage or conduct

  3.deviating from a circular path